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Started: 2/17/2009 9:15 AM
pandoraems
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question for STOne or anyone from ST (about USB and allocating PIDs)
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Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
pandoraems
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Hi

I was curious if ST supports people making new designs with their microcontrollers by letting them use ST's PIDs for USB communication, until the people can afford their own VIDs

It is important for enthusiasts to overcome the barriers getting into the industry of making devices commercially.
Now that usb.org has threatened online stores who sell their PIDs with a lawsuit, there appears to be no other way but to shell out the $2K up front to usb.org for a VID.

I know Microchip lets people use their PIDs for designs that use their chips (perhaps other companies). I think it would be great if ST follows this practice too, encouraging startups to use ST's chips for their designs.

below is the link to microchip's free PID request form with all the rules and such - sounds very reasonable

http://www.microchip.com/stellent/groups/sitecomm_sg/documents/market_communication/en025058.pdf


EDIT: here is a link to similar program from FTDI
http://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm


Thanks


[ This message was edited by: pandoraems on 10-12-2008 20:53 ]


[ This message was edited by: pandoraems on 10-12-2008 23:54 ]
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
STOne-32
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Dear pandoraems,

I acknowledge the reception of your query regarding sub-licensing USB PIDs and using ST VID : 0x483, I will check with my colleagues, Legal departement and of course with USB.org administrator regarding our Membership agreement and let you know what we can offer for this "Bonus" Free :-) service in 2009, to let you enter USB and STM32 world in a convenient way without barriers.

Cheers,

STOne-32.
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
jj.sprague
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Dear STOne-32,

Your response is quick, considered and caring - thank you - much appreciated.

Many of your forum contributors share "pandoraems" request for eased PID/VID - again thanks for your efforts...
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
pandoraems
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Thank you for your reply STOne

If ST authorities who decide this need more prodding/convincing, we can perhaps initiate a poll/petition to show that indeed many stm32 enthusiasts would benefit from this and that it will not be a wasted effort on ST's part. I am sure that among this and the stm32circle forum (http://www.stm32circle.com/forum/index.php) there will be a lot of voters for this.
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
paul.smitton
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Hi STOne,

Is there any news on sublicensing a Product ID from ST yet?
This would be quite helpful.

Cheers,
Paul.


Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
pandoraems
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Hi

Any updates on this?

This would make a great present for the New Year's for the community


Cheers!
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
STOne-32
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Hi all,

Since most of people are in vacations period these days, I will let you know in January 2009 what is the status regarding PIDs allocation.

My best wishes for 2009 !

Cheers,

ST1.
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
mudrovc
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Some news?
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
mudrovc
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UP
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
STOne-32
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Hi mudrovc,

I apologize for the long time, but we are progressing to get this service soon,

By the way could you please let me know what is your STM32 production quantities per year ? and what is the end-product name :
1) string Product and
2) string vendor

You would like to have inside the USB descriptors..

Thanks for your comprehension,

STOne-32, :-)
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
jj.sprague
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Hi STOne-32,

Hope you've been well - glad to see your posts.

I may not be fully/properly informed - it is my belief that many here - like my firm - may be uncertain of their EAU. Thus we cannot give you/ST any "real" volume forecasts. (and the world economy intrudes too)

What I believe most seek is "some means" NOT to have our product look completely "amateurish" - due to an "unofficial" PID. Expect that most could live with a "reduced cost - even better free" temporary PID - until
the product "finds" its place in the market.

Thanks again for your efforts in our behalf.

Regards,

jj


[ This message was edited by: jj.sprague on 13-02-2009 00:44 ]
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
pandoraems
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In addition to what JJ said, besides being amateur-ish, AFAIK, it is downright illegal to sell USB devices without properly licensed PID/VID, even if the target customer is an enthusiast.

And usually, when people start to try to turn this hobby into business they have no idea of how many units they'd be selling
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
trevor
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Hi pandoraems,
I didn't think this was the case hence this post:
http://www.st.com/mcu/forums-cat-8012-23.html

Regards
Trevor
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
pandoraems
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Quote:

On 16-02-2009 at 09:24, Anonymous wrote:
Hi pandoraems,
I didn't think this was the case hence this post:
http://www.st.com/mcu/forums-cat-8012-23.html

Regards
Trevor




Trevor, i am too lazy to reach for references now, but i am quite positive that it is the case as i've learned from my prior research.
Imagine a situation where you've paid your hard-earned cash for a set of PID/VID. Then someone comes to market with the same PID/VID that they've pulled out of a thin air (i.e made up and have not officially registered it)
If a user plugs both devices into his/her computer, the OS/drivers would be very confused as to how to handle the two devices with same PID/VID, and things will inevitably break.
Proper PID/VID licensing is designed to avoid these kinds of problems. (for an affordable price of $2000 or so ;-) )


Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
trevor
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Thanks for your response pandoraems.

I had assumed ST had a unique VID/PID combination for things like the standard CDC driver. I take it this is not the case. If not then wouldn't it be sensible for ST to provide a PID/VID combination for standard drivers like the CDC driver that everyone using ST CDC driver could use? I assume there is no technical reason this could not be done.

Sorry if I'm restating what the thread is already about
:-?
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
scott.gordon
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Has there been any progress on this?
I too want a PID, or better a small block of them.

I'm trying to replace another manufacturer's CPU with an STM32 and I'd like to do that across a modest portfolio, but I can't easily justify the $2k until I have a proven entry product.

BTW I can add another manufacturer that will allocate a PID for it's products, as Maxim did that when asked. (For the record it is not the Maxim part that I want to replace).

Gordon.

Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
STOne-32
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Dear Gordon

Yes, we provide USB PIDs sublicensing service to our small customers who has no budget to be member at USB-IF and tp pay the USB-IF membership. 


Please Contact your local ST sales and marketing office for more information on this service.  we will re-contact your shortly while providing some details about your applications and used STM32 device for your design.

Cheers,

STOne-32.
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
scott.gordon
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Excellent. Thank you.


Posted: 5/17/2011 12:55 PM
scott.gordon
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ST's sales office in UK says thay don't do this.
They say try a technical distributor, which I shall do.

G.


Posted: 5/17/2011 12:56 PM
Lemmywinx
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Hi,

Plezse contact the UK ST office again, give them your name and ask to be put through to my Mobile, then we should be able to sort this out for you!

Best Regards,

Matt.
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:56 PM
xu.lillian
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Hi STOne-32,

Is it free for sublicense PID with USB for using ST MCU?
Posted: 5/17/2011 12:56 PM
STOne-32
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Yes, it is free after  you request it, then  ST will grant you the PID for your application using STM32 MCU USB device.
Posted: 7/26/2013 2:02 PM
andreh
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Hello,

I am in the process of developing a USB enabled monitoring device using a STM32F103 microcontroller with native USB support.
Since the company I am working for does not own a USB Vendor ID and the number of units of this product will be <10000 I would like to apply for a PID from ST.

I already contacted the local ST office in Munich (Germany), but they haven't answered yet.
Is there another person or e-mail address I can contact?

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,
Andre
Edited: 7/26/2013 3:52 PM
STOne-32
  Posts : 235

Hi Gordon,

Re-Contact our UK office and ask for  for MCUs technical support , they will help you .

Cheers,

STOne-32.

From: scott.gordon
Posted: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 3:45 PM
Subject: question for STOne or anyone from ST (about USB and allocating PIDs)

ST's sales office in UK says thay don't do this.
They say try a technical distributor, which I shall do.

G.


Edited: 7/26/2013 10:46 PM
STOne-32
  Posts : 235
Hi Andre,

Can you please contact me by using the Contact Moderator in this forums.Or you can send me an e-mail to 16-32micros Point support At st dot com

Cheers,

STOne-32.


From: andreh
Posted: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: question for STOne or anyone from ST (about USB and allocating PIDs)

Hello,

I am in the process of developing a USB enabled monitoring device using a STM32F103 microcontroller with native USB support.
Since the company I am working for does not own a USB Vendor ID and the number of units of this product will be <10000 I would like to apply for a PID from ST.

I already contacted the local ST office in Munich (Germany), but they haven't answered yet.
Is there another person or e-mail address I can contact?

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,
Andre

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